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  * Enhance the hash functions, such that the hash value is stored in a size\_t in stead of unsigned int. This allows hash tables to grow beyond 4Gb on 64-bit platforms

  * Enhance all struct fields representing refCounts or epochs, make them of type size_t

  * All memory-related functions, such as Tcl\_Alloc\(\), will change its size argument from _int_ to _size\_t_, and its "char *" arguments to "void *"
  
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  * On 32-bit platforms, this is all 100% upwards binary compatible, provided no _internal_ API is used (since some internal structs has incompatible but externally invisible changes)

  * On 64-bit platforms, those changes cause binary incompatibility, but source compatibility is retained. Therefore the TCL_MAGIC value needs to change, so extensions compiled using Tcl 9 headers will not load in Tcl 8 and reverse.

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# Implementation

An implementation of this TIP can be found in the [memory-API branch]
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# Copyright

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  * Enhance the hash functions, such that the hash value is stored in a size\_t in stead of unsigned int. This allows hash tables to grow beyond 4Gb on 64-bit platforms

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  * Provide a compilation option -D_TCL\_8\_COMPAT_, which provides fully source compatibility. Using this option, extensions compile and run fine using either Tcl 8 or Tcl 9 headers.
    More explanation below.

On 32-bit platforms, this is all 100% upwards binary compatible, provided no _internal_ API is used (since some internal structs might have incompatible but externally invisible changes)

On 64-bit platforms, those changes cause binary incompatibility. Therefore the TCL_MAGIC value needs to change, so extensions compiled using Tcl 9 headers will not load in Tcl 8 and reverse.



# Implications

Although those changes are binary compatible on 32-bit platforms, there is a small potential source incompatibility.
There are 10 functions which previously had an _int_ return argument, which is changed to _size\_t_. This signed/unsigned change might lead to subtle difference in behavior.

The 10 functions are:

  * Tcl_Gets

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If the return value of such function is directly used in a compare, this could lead to the use of an unsigned compare in stead of a signed compare.
If you compile your extension with -D_TCL\_8\_COMPAT_, those 10 functions will be changed to wrapper macro's which makes everything behave as if those functions return Tcl_WideInt. That's the easiest way to resolve this potential problem.

There are 2 other ways to make this change, which can do it without the use of the _TCL\_8\_COMPAT_ macro:

  * Add _1_ to the left and right hand side of the comparison. E.g. [as here](https://core.tcl.tk/tk/fdiff?v1=100235897e9cf359&v2=9cf86629040df0d3)

  * Don't compare to -1 using < or >, but only using == or !=. You can get rid of the compiler warning using casts to _size\_t_. E.g. [as here](https://core.tcl.tk/tk/fdiff?v1=207c608cec63f8f0&v2=e2e5d2322beea420)

Tk and sqlite are already converted to make full use of TIP #494. Other extensions included with Tcl (e.g. tdbc) are unaffected.

# Implementation

The implementation of this TIP can be found in the [memory-API branch]
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# Copyright

This document has been placed in the public domain.

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# TIP 514: Platform differences in handling int/wide
	Author:         Jan Nijtmans <[email protected]>
	State:          Draft
	Type:           Project
	Vote:           Pending
	Created:        20-Aug-2018
	Post-History:   
	Keywords:       Tcl
	Tcl-Version:	8.7
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# Abstract

This TIP proposes to resolve the platform differences between int/wide math functions and commands like "sting is integer"/"string is wide".
At the script level it should not be relevant whether the platform is 32-bit or 64-bit any more.

Originally, the int() math function was meant to be provide compatibility when introducing big integers using the libtommath library.
Code depending on the modulo behavior of all expressions could use the int() function to make the behavior the same as in Tcl 8.4 again.

# Rationale

TODO

# Specification

 * On all platforms, the int() math function will do 64-bit truncation. This means that on 64-bit Linux (for example)
   nothing changes, but on 32-bit Linux and on Windows the behavior will be exactly the same as on 64-bit Linux.
   int() will become synonym for wide(). The wide() function will become deprecated in Tcl 9.0, but it will not be
   removed yet.

 * The range of "string is integer" is changed to match the range of the int() math function. So this function will report
   true if the number is in the range -9223372036854775808..9223372036854775807. The "string is wideinteger" command will
   be deprecated in Tcl 9.0, but it will not be removed yet.

 * The C function Tcl_GetIntFromObj() will be changed to return TCL_OK if the Tcl_Obj contains values in the range of 2147483648..4294967295. So,
   it succeeds if the number fits in either a platform "int", either a platform "unsigned int" type.

# Implementation

Currently, the proposed implementation is available in [all-wideint branch]
(https://core.tcl.tk/tcl/timeline?r=all-wideint). (WIP)

# Copyright

This document has been placed in the public domain.